This page is to help you make a hub motor wheel for your
bike, starting with a hub motor, a rim and some spokes.
Lacing a wheel is a key skill in making ebikes. Even if you
buy a kit with a built wheel, there are a lot of badly made wheels in these
kits so it’s worth knowing how it’s done.
Most of what you need to know about building ebike wheels is
standard wheelbuilding. My favourite online wheelbuilding teacher is Sheldon
Brown, whose excellent advice on wheelbuilding can be found at http://sheldonbrown.com/wheelbuild.html
The steps
Presumably you have a hub to start with. Now you can:
- Measure the hub
- Choose a suitable rim
- Measure the rim
- Decide on spoke cross number
- Calculate spoke length
- Get suitable spokes
- Get other bits and pieces: rim tape, grease and perhaps some spoke washers
- Lace it all together
- True the wheel
The first few steps are focussed on getting the information
you need to calculate your spoke lengths. You need to get this right!
The measurements required are:
Number of spokes
- Effective rim diameter
- Width from hub centre to left flange
- Width from hub centre to right flange
- Flange diameter, left side
- Flange diameter, right side
- Spoke hole diameter
- Cross number
Electric hub motors
If you don't already have a hub motor, I've reviewed a few that might be of interest:
- Xiongda 2-speed hub motor
- Bafang/8Fun BPM hub motor
- I haven't written a specific review of the Bafang/8Fun 250w SWXK front hub motor, or the 250w SWXH rear hub motor, but we've used a lot of them and they're good, if you're not climbing too long and steep hills
Measure the hub
If you’re lucky, you may have already have reliable
measurements of your hub. Don’t trust measurements in web-shops! You can
usually trust motor drawings – if they are drawings of the same motor. Do some
checking just in case.
This is the Bafang SWXK front motor. Note how the power cable exits from the side plate |
Bafang BPM rear hub motor |
If you need to measure it yourself, read what Sheldon has to
say here:
Also watch my video on measuring the hub:
You need to end up with these measures in millimetres:
- Width from hub centre to left flange: this is the distance from the left flange
- Width from hub centre to right flange
- Flange diameter, left side
- Flange diameter, right side
Choose a suitable rim
Most importantly, your rim needs to be the right diameter,
and have the right number of spoke holes. Every hub motor I’ve ever seen or
heard of has 36 spokes – but count yours to make sure! (36 spokes is good:
strong and universal)
You also want a rim that’s strong and wide. Wide rims are
stronger, easier to put tyres on, less likely to pinch a tube, and your tyre is
less likely to get damage from rim brake pads. Especially for rear wheels (that
do the hardest work), I recommend Sun Ringle Rhyno lite or similar.
Especially for front wheels, I often use the cheap Chinese
rims from my hub supplier. I’ve never had a problem with them, but I keep
spares in case of trouble (from crashes or wearing the sidewalls away with rim
brakes).
It is good to have spare rims of the same type you use. It
is so much easier to swap rims on a wheel to a new rim of the same type and
dimensions, instead of re-calculating, re-cutting spokes and re-lacing to a different rim (if you do need to swap rims of the same type, tape the new rim to the old with the valve holes together, then swap the spokes over one by one - easy).
I suggest give deep rims a miss – they won’t help you and they
make it hard to put the nipples on.
A used rim in good condition is fine – first check it is
true by giving it a spin before unlacing it from its previous hub. Also,
especially if you are using rim brakes, check the condition of the side walls.
Rim brakes gradually wear away the side walls of the rim, which will eventually
start to split off (and eventually tyre air pressure will blast the wheel
apart). Don’t use a rim with badly worn side walls.
Measure the rim
As long as you have the right number of spoke holes (got
that?), you only need one measurement of the rim to calculate spoke length. That
is: effective rim diameter (ERD).
ERD is the diameter of the imaginary circle which would
touch the outer tips of all the spokes around the wheel, at the outer ends of
the nipples. To measure this you use a couple of nipples, screwed backwards
onto a couple of spokes, placed into opposite holes in the rim. Use a metre
rule to measure the inside distance between the nipples, and add on the lengths
of the nipples to get the ERD.
This video shows how:
Decide on spoke cross number
As a generalisation, it’s good to have as many crosses in
your spokes as you can. This reduces the forces on the hub flange, and makes
the spokes more effective at transmitting the torque (driving force and braking
force) from the hub to the rim. Radial spokes aren’t a good way to go, as they
are more stressful to the hub flanges and aren’t good at taking torque forces
from hub to rim. However sometimes a large hub in a small diameter rim can’t
fit any crosses and radial spokes are the only way to lace the wheel.
This 26" wheel with large hub motor has radial spokes (0-cross), it might have been able to fit 1-cross |
Normal bike wheels with small flanges can accommodate 3 or 4
crosses, making a very strong wheel.
With hub motors it’s harder to use higher crosses, because the hub flange diameter is so big. Most motors can only use 1 or 2 crosses. More crosses would give the spokes too acute an angle at the rim, which bends the spoke where it enters the nipple.
With hub motors it’s harder to use higher crosses, because the hub flange diameter is so big. Most motors can only use 1 or 2 crosses. More crosses would give the spokes too acute an angle at the rim, which bends the spoke where it enters the nipple.
I tried 2-cross on this BPM hub motor in a 26" rim, but the angle of the spokes was too acute at the rim, bending the spokes where they meet the nipples |
Same hub, same size rim, 1-cross. Spoke angles are fine |
Many Chinese hub motor suppliers (e.g. Greenbikekit.com or
Bmsbattery.com) can supply spokes and rims. The spokes usually come (roughly)
the right length to do 1 cross. This is a quick, easy and good enough way to
lace your wheel, and I’ve never had any problems with doing it this way – but I
do check the spoke length first myself.
20" wheel with 1-cross 2.3mm spokes on Bafang SWXK hub |
Calculate spoke length
To calculate the spoke length, I like to use the “Spocalc”
Microsoft Excel spreadsheet, which you can download from http://sheldonbrown.com/rinard/spocalc.htm
My preference is to use the version called “Spocalc Express”,
which is a no-frills version without a database of hubs and rims (I haven’t
ever found a hub or rim I was using in the Spocalc database). This way there is less
opportunity for mistakes. Spocalc Express only calculates one side of the wheel
per spreadsheet, so for wheels that aren’t symmetrical (usually rear wheels)
you need to use 2 spreadsheets.
This is what Spocalc Express looks like with the measurements
entered:
Remember this is for only one side of the wheel, and the
other side could be different if the wheel is not symmetrical. As you will read
elsewhere, rear wheels (especially with derailleur gears) tend to have shorter
spokes on the sprocket side of the wheel, so that the rim can stay in the
middle of the wheel, despite the sprockets taking up a lot of width on the
right hand side of the hub.
This is called “dishing” and makes the wheel weaker, as
there is less bracing by the spokes on the flattened side of the wheel. Some
hubs are better designed in this regard, e.g. Bafang rear hub motors require
very little dishing, while Cute rear hub motors require a lot.
Get suitable spokes
Once the spoke lengths are calculated, you will need to get
18 spokes of the correct length for each side, or 36 spokes the same if you’re
lucky.
Getting the spokes is easy if you can get them from your
Chinese hub motor supplier. These are generally thick 2.3mm (13 gauge) spokes,
which are strong and fit the hub motor holes well. I’ve often found them to be
significantly different in length from the calculated length (usually a bit
short), which can result in showing spoke threads below the nipples. Again this
usually works out, but it’s important to check.
If you don’t get your spokes from your motor supplier, you
need to buy them the right length elsewhere, or cut and thread them yourself. Both
of these options tend toward using 2mm (14 gauge) spokes, as they are more
common and cutting and threading them yourself is easiest with 2mm. Because hub
motors have such a big flange diameter, the spokes are an unusual length, so
you may need to look around. Lots of hub motor wheels have spoke lengths which
are unavailable retail. Sometimes you can increase your options by using a
different cross number.
If you use 2mm spokes (the most common size) in a hub motor,
it is often good to use washers under the spoke head (in the hub motor flange holes). Chinese
hub motors are made for 2.3mm spokes and the spoke holes in the flanges are
large diameter (~3.2mm). There is little risk of the spoke head pulling
through, but the elbows of the thinner 2mm spokes may not sit snug against the
flange, which can allow flexing at the elbow and increase the risk of breakage.
Washers can help pull the elbows in so the wire bears on the flange around the
elbow bend.
We often reuse spokes in good condition from old wheels (heresy!), cutting them to a new length and threading them. If you're using used spokes there is one thing to look out for: spontaneous fracturing of cheap stainless steel spokes. We've seen lots of wheels, sometimes on apparently respectable brands, where the stainless spokes have spontaneously broken in the middle of the spokes' length (but we've never seen it in galvanised spokes). Sometimes a bunch of spokes will all go together: it seems like they develop cracks and when one goes, the additional stress breaks the others. So if you have a wheel with stainless spokes that have broken in the middle, all the spokes can be considered no good.
Cutting and threading your own spokes
We cut and thread a lot of spokes. Being able to cut and thread your own spokes makes it quick to make
a new wheel without having to find the right length spokes online (often
costing a lot) and waiting for them to arrive.
The key to making your own spokes is having a spoke threading tool. I use and recommend a Hozan spoke threader, available from Ceeway, at this link: http://www.framebuilding.com/Hozan%20Tools%202.htm
The key to making your own spokes is having a spoke threading tool. I use and recommend a Hozan spoke threader, available from Ceeway, at this link: http://www.framebuilding.com/Hozan%20Tools%202.htm
This rolls a thread onto the end of the spoke, squashing the
thread into the spoke without removing any metal. It’s a lovely tool.
Some tips on making spokes:
- I recommend keeping coloured spokes (especially black anodised) away from threaders as they can damage the rollers.
- Non-stainless galvanised spokes are fine, especially if the bike will be kept in dry conditions (I’ve used plenty of gal spokes).
- The Hozan threader only threads 2mm (14g) spokes (I have adjusted an old head and used it for 2.3mm).
- Some fancy spokes have varying thickness along their length. These are called “butted” and they help to shave grams off racing bikes. They aren’t suitable for ebike wheels. Only plain gauge spokes (the same thickness all the way along) are good for cutting and threading.
Check out this video of how I do it:
Nipples
You need nipples to go with your spokes, of course. Most
spokes are sold with nipples included, but often enough you need to buy them
separately, so check.
Get brass (usually chromed) nipples, they are stronger and
less prone to corrosion than aluminium.
If you have a choice, it’s good to get longer nipples. This
gives you more leeway in case you make a mistake in spoke length and they are
stronger.
Get other bits and pieces
Spoke key
Also called a “spoke wrench” in USA. This is your most
important wheelbuilding tool (everything else can be improvised – even this can
be home-made). I recommend getting a one-size spoke key which fits the nipples
you are using. Multi-size spoke keys are common, and worth having in the
toolbox for truing the odd wheel, but when you’re wheelbuilding it will waste a
lot of time finding the right sized slot each time you pick it up, and you will
risk damaging nipples by using the wrong size.
Truing stand
A truing stand is good. I use the cheapest Park truing
stand, because my brother-in-law gave it to me, and it’s fine. I don’t miss
having the fancy features such as dial indicators etc..
It would be easy to fabricate your own truing stand – make
it adjustable for different width hubs. People also successfully build the odd
wheel using a pair of forks or a frame as the stand.
Grease
I believe it’s important to lubricate the spoke threads
where they go into the nipple. This helps reduce friction while you build the
wheel, but most importantly it reduces the risk of corrosion over time. Many
old wheels become hard to true because the nipples have corroded onto the
spokes. I use waterproof marine grease.
Brass washers
As described above, it’s good to have brass washers if
you’re using 2mm spokes in a Chinese hub motor with 3.2mm holes. I had a lot of
trouble getting them, until my brother in law sent me a lifetime supply from
Germany in an envelope. Use Google.
Nipple stick
Double wall rims, especially deeper ones, make it hard to
get the nipple onto the end of the spoke when first lacing the wheel. It’s easy
to make a little tool from an old spoke, a nipple and a stick, which can help
you a lot. It is used to place the nipple through the rim onto the spoke end
and give it a few turns to start the thread.
Get an odd spoke of the same diameter, cut it short and
grind, file or forge a taper on the non-threaded end. Find a nice stick in the
garden, drill a tight hole in the end, and push in the tapered spoke end. If
the stick splits, try again. You can always drill oversize and glue the spoke
in with epoxy.
Rim tape
I use 19mm blue Schwalbe rim tape. It’s strong, has good
glue, and is cost-effective in rolls of 50m.
If you’re just doing one wheel, you might need to find a
single wheel roll.
I’ve used gaffer tape (fibre reinforced tape) when I haven’t
had anything better. I used a woodworking marking gauge to mark a parallel
strip on the tape roll, then used a sharp knife to cut through a few layers
before unrolling. It worked okay but I’m glad I have the Schwalbe tape now.
Dish stick
Sheldon Brown says you need a dish stick, but I’ve never
used (or seen) one.
Lace it all together
This is the fun bit. Get all the stuff together, smear a
little grease on the thread of each spoke, put your nipples in a small dish
nearby. Wear clothes you don’t mind getting grease on (that blue waterproof
grease is impossible to wash off). Get the Sheldon Brown wheelbuilding page
open on your computer.
Watch my video:
Some tips:
- It’s easy at first to make a mistake in your lacing. Be ready to undo all or part of the lacing – it’s a learning experience!
- Stop and look at the whole wheel at the end of each stage. Your eye can usually spot mistakes from the irregularity in the pattern.
Front disc brake
If you’re using a Bafang SWXK front hub motor and plan to
use disc brakes, you have some challenges. There is very limited width between
the left flange and the brake disc. I have successfully used disc brakes with
these motors with special lacing and calipers which are thin on the inside
(from Greenbikekit.com or BMSBattery.com).
Here is how I have laced SWXK motors to provide more room
for a disc brake caliper:
Bafang SXXK front hub motor, laced for a disc brake |
All spokes on the left side are on the inside of the flange (inserted from the outside), so the caliper doesn't run into the spokes.
Bafang now make the SWXK5 front hub motor, which has more
room between the brake disc and the left flange.
This is the Bafang SWXK5, which gives some more room between the brake disc and the left flange |
True the wheel
Once laced, put your wheel in the truing stand.
Bafang BPM being laced 1-cross to a Sun Ringle Rhyno Lite rim |
Here it is easier to do the first, rough tensioning of the
spokes, firstly with a screwdriver in the ends of the nipples. The more evenly
you can do this first step, the easier it will be to get the wheel true.
Most bikes centre the rim in the middle of the axle – to be
more specific: halfway between the outside locknuts on the axle. This makes it
easy: when you take the wheel off the stand and put it back in swapped left to
right, the rim should be the same distance from your pointer (the adjustable
thing that touches (or not) the rim). At the start of truing, swap the wheel
back and forth, aligning the valve hole with the pointer, so you’re centring a
single point on the rim.
Here I’ll leave you to the experts like Sheldon, to help you
true your wheel, then stress relieve it (I use a wooden spoon handle).
While you have the wheel in the stand, it’s easy to put the
rim tape on. Put the hub in the stand so that you can freewheel the top of the
wheel away from you (the hub gears can make it hard to turn the wheel
backwards). Start a couple of inches before the valve hole, tape across the
hole and right around the wheel, keeping the tape carefully central in the rim.
Cut the tape so that it overlaps couple of inches each way
over the valve hole. That way the valve goes through both ends of the tape and
prevents the tape from creeping.
After the tape is in place, carefully find the valve hole
under the tape (don’t accidentally find a spoke hole!). Take a small, sharp
knife and cut the tape out of the hole. If your knife takes a shaving of
aluminium from the edge of the hole, that’s good – makes the edge of the hole
less sharp.
Now you have a hub motor wheel! And you have laced a wheel –
bike wheels won’t ever look the same to you again.
Tube and tyre
All you need now is a tube and tyre. My strong
recommendation is for Schwalbe Marathon Plus tyres and Schwalbe tubes. Both
have shown exceptional reliability and durability – and if there’s one problem
you don’t want, it’s flat tyres.
The back Schwalbe Marathon Plus tyre on my folding bike
(with front motor) has gone close to 10,000km with only one puncture through
the tyre. The back tyre on my (rear motor, often heavily loaded) cargo bike has
gone nearly 6000km, has never had a flat and is starting to show blue rubber
through the tread.
I currently get my tyres from Chainreactioncycles.com
I want to lace a electric hub motor to a rear fat bike rim, 26 inch...36 spoke..single cross pattern....can you tell me which video of yours will guide me properly ?
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Excelent blog I will start working once my hub motor arrives and keep you posted. Thank you from the other side of the world (Argentina).
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Federico
MANY THANKS for sharing all this information!!!
ReplyDeleteI am also a happy client of BMSBattery but I find difficult to find locally a mechanic that can help me with spokes. They simple don't know how to cut spokes to specific needed size :-(
I will do it myself and buy the tool if needed.
Many thanks!!
Bruce, I used your video to build a new front wheel for our tandem, it was very easy thanks to your excellent instruction. We broke a spoke on a tour in Florida this month so I bought a Rhyno Lite XL rim, Sapim Strong single butted spokes,which are advertised for use on tandems and ebikes,and laced it one cross The original kit was a single wall rim with a 2 cross build for a BPM motor,so I think the upgrades will be much more reliable. This is for our front hub.
ReplyDelete2 questions, while the spokes cross they don't touch ,as your video did not mention interlacing,so I didn't , it that ok? And how much tension should the spokes have? The disk side spokes have a higher pitched tone when plucked,all approximately the same pitch ,and the wire side is lower,again all the same tone. I probably could make another half turn on both sides without danger of windup,but is that necessary? I just don't know how tight the spokes should be before its good enough.
Thanks for all the information found here, Paul
Hello Paul, It's a pleasure to read that I've been useful to you with this stuff - it's hard to know!
Delete2 cross on a BPM makes a tight angle at the rim: where did the spoke break?
You're right: 1 cross spokes don't touch.
Re tension: I'd be a smarty pants if I said 120kg would be suitable tension, but that's what our son (who's now quite expert at wheel building) said last night for 2mm spokes. He uses a fancy tension meter to test tension and ensure even tension on new wheels. A more useful answer might be that a good tension is really quite tight. You can't bend the spokes much at all when you squeeze 2 together. You're likely to crack the rim at the nipples before you'll break a spoke. So if you're not sure, you probably need to tighten.
Re windup: we always use a little grease on each thread (that's probably in my video and post) so windup doesn't seem to be much of an issue. It's terrible to be trying to adjust an old wheel and find that the nipples have corroded on.
Bruce,it broke at the threads. I turned the nipples another half turn,all seem to be nice and tight. Yes I did use grease on the spoke threads and rim eyelets. Only thing left is to give it a try and that will have to wait till the snow melts. Paul
ReplyDeleteHi Bruce, thank you for your very clear explanation of wheel building. I have followed your steps and am trying to build a wheel. I have a mxus xf08 rear hub motor and a mavic xm119 36 holes rim. I also ordered a 14g spokes 240mm length.
ReplyDeleteNow for the question, i also have placed an order for brace washers 2mm holes(which i did not receive yet). The point is, even though the motor hub holes is 3.2mm , my 14g Chinese spokes does not have a place for a washer between them and the hub wall. When i tried to place a washer (steel that i have), like you showed, the spoke can't make the turnaround ( it is too tight).
Must i use a washer when building a wheel 3.2mm hub hole and 14g spokes?
i.e forgive my English, i'm from israel.
Thank you and good life.
Ilan elias
Hello Ilian, the purpose of the washers is to ensure the elbow of the spoke is tight against the hole in the hub, and avoid flexing which causes breaking. The brass washers I use are soft enough to form into the conical, countersunk shape of the hub flange holes, when pressed by the spoke head. If the steel washer you tried is too thick or too stiff, this wouldn't work.
DeleteHopefully the washers you have ordered are softer than the one you tried. If you can't get the washers to work, then I suggest you build the wheel without them, use a high spoke tension to reduce flexing, and see what happens.
Good luck and keep well! Bruce.
Hello Bruce, thank you. I have ordered the following washers-
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I am waiting for them to arrive.i hope they will fit. If not,i will try without them.
Good weekend,
Ilan
The washers look just right. I expect you will have no trouble with them - the brass will form to fit the countersunk hole. You can even use 2 washers if that's needed to make the elbow tight. Good luck! Bruce
DeleteHello Bruce, just to update.
ReplyDeleteI received the brass washers and i have almost finished building the wheel. The only thing left is checking the spokes tension with a tool ( which I'm waiting for it to arrive).
i.e. The washers fit perfectly.
Thank you very much for your help, Elias
Many thanks Bruce, your video is of great help to me.
ReplyDeleteI ordered a small hub motor, I am undecided on how many crossings the spokes will have to have. The Hub diameter is 104 mm, the vidth of the flange 52 mm and the ring diameter 533 mm (26").
What do you think? Is it better one cross or two cross? The wheel is mounted on a MTB with 24 spokes 14g.
The engine also has 24 holes for 14g spokes.
Thank you in advance for getting some good advice
Marco
Hello Marco, generally it is stronger to use more crosses if you can. I use 1 cross or 2 cross for 121mm flange diameter hub motors in 26" rims, both work fine but I prefer the 2 cross. 104mm is a small flange diameter for a hub motor, so for 36 spokes (most of my wheels) it would work well to use 2 cross. However you are using 24 spokes, which will increase the angle of the spokes to the rim a little. If it was me, I would try 2 cross and see how it goes. If the nipples look too bent at the rim, you can cut the spokes short and do 1 cross (if you can cut the spokes). This spoke calculator shows the angle and it looks okay (but you'll need to decide for yourself):http://kstoerz.com/freespoke/
DeleteGood luck and enjoy the ride!
Many thanks Bruce, this calculator is very useful, from what I understand with two crossings the spoke would come out of the rim at an angle of 79 degrees (Wrap angle 10.6 degree) Do you think it is acceptable?
DeleteSorry if I still ask you this, but I'm ordering flat spokes, which I won't be able to cut.
The reason is that I want to make the rear wheel identical to the front one, I'm an incurable esthete.
Regarding the length, the calculator gives me a measurement of the left spoke 245 mm and right 244 mm, unfortunately there are only 244 and 246 mm. Do you think I can order all of them 244 mm?
I think it is better 1mm shorter than longer.
I hope my English is understandable, I am an Italian who writes from the Canary Islands.
Thank you so much, it was a pleasure to read your answer.
Left Right
Spoke length 245.5mm 244.3mm
Tension distribution 63% 100%
Spoke head clearance 12.31mm 12.31mm
Bracing angle 7.3° 4.6°
Wrap angle (at rim) 10.6° 10.6°
Total angle at rim 12.8° 11.5°
Effective tangential PCD 99.7mm 99.7mm
Flange exit angle 70.6° 70.6°
Theta angle 60° 60°
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